Resources on Understanding the On-Going Grace Debate

I thought it would be worthwhile for those of you my readers who would like to further study some of the items brought forward by Michael Brown on the Hyper Grace movement to post a few recommended resources. Obviously this is not a subject that can be fully addressed by reading one book hence a healthy study of this matter is significantly important.

As I mentioned in my last post, this is not a new doctrine that has bloomed in the past few years. It is a teaching that has its roots in the past both recent and distant. I thought that these resources might be a starting point to further understand some of the particulars.

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John MacArthur Quote

jmac“There is a zero tolerance policy with Jesus for false teachers. If someone denies the true meaning of Scripture, denies the true identity of Christ, and denies the true gospel, that is not a tolerable person. We do not get together with those kind of people to find out what we hold in common… Our Lord indicates here that rather than welcome these people, we ought to flee from them because, as Jude put it, if you get too close to them, your garments will be singed. You need to be rescued from them… When we engage people who teach lies, it is to make war, not peace.” ~ John MacArthur

More Strange Fire…from Twitter

imagesCAI8IC69My last post on the MacArthur’s Strange Fire conference seems to have gotten a few people going on Twitter. Some are questioning how I can write the post I did  without having actually watched the whole of the conference. I have a difficult time understanding how watching the entirety of the conference relates to what I had written. I admit that I have not watched the whole of the conference however the purpose of my post was not to comment on the content of the conference but to point out the reaction that the conference has had upon many people on the internet. I had read at least a dozen reviews of the conference that were, to my knowledge, accurate representations of what went on at the conference. With that said, I still was interested at some of the critiques that were address towards MacArthur even some that were written prior to the conference beginning. My point in the last article was that people were arguing that MacArthur didn’t have any desire to dialogue with continuationalists on this issue even while invited by Christians such as Michael Brown. I felt that having a dialogue, not necessarily at the conference, would be helpful to point out that not all charismatics are heretics (such as John Piper or Sam Storms). I also felt that come charismatics were being unfair in their representation of MacArthur since some of the guest speakers were posting articles that were explicitly stating that they didn’t lump Piper, Storms, Mahaney and the like with Word of Faith Preachers. My whole point was that both sides were speaking past each other and a dialogue between two representatives could clarify these issues.

With all this said, I will add that a healthy debate between brethren of both camps would be very useful to everyone. The Proverb tells us that The first to plead his case seems right, Until another comes and examines him (Proverbs 18:17) and it would be useful to have an in-house discussion. Dr. James White has even offered to mediate such a discussion between two representative parties on his radio show. I would even invite two representatives to do it in written form on this blog if they are interested in doing so.

I also wanted to mention that I read another article this evening on the conference by Trevin Maxx which I felt worthwhile to mention. Maxx points out well the right way and wrong way to address this whole circus.

One final note, Twitter conversations are not exactly my preference when it comes to discussing some of these items. I have a comments section on this blog that allow more that 120 characters hence if you wish to reply, please feel free to use the comments.